Wednesday, July 7, 2010

St. Bitch the Fierce

This is probably the coolest memo pad I've ever come across:
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For less than five bucks I don't think I can resist. There is something about Catholic imagery that just does it for me.

19 comments:

  1. May I ask why? I mean, I'm not a Catholic myself (I am an Anglican but my paternal grandparents were practically Buddhists), but think that Catholics would find this very insulting and offensive... (what would happen if someone produced a product like this about Muhammad!)

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  2. Catholics may find it insulting, but I'm not Catholic. And I don't believe religion deserves some sacred status. Muhammad, Jesus, Buddha...it makes little difference to me.

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  3. Well, how about racism then? Would you consider insulting someone on the basis of her/his skin colour to be different from insulting someone on the basis of her/his faith?? Insulting Muhammad (as some Muslims took it to be) has caused an uproar in Denmark etc., in case you didn't know.

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  4. I do know. My other blog is political and I posted about it in fact. Religion is not equal to race. Insulting someone because of their race, which they cannot change and has no bearing on their beliefs, is not the same as mocking parts of a religion you think are ridiculous. I'm allowed to make jokes about Ares but not Mohammad? Why is that? Who decides what's sacred and off limits? If you make the choice to believe in something then that's up to you. Feel free to be as offended as you like. But I'm not gonna pretend those beliefs are sacred just because it makes you feel nice.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't think anyone should be discriminated against because of their religion. But discrimination is not the same thing as indifference or mockery. People of one religion show contempt for people of other religions all the time. Should those cartoonist have drawn those cartoons of Muhammad? One could argue they shouldn't have (though I find that disappointing). Should people have lost their freaking minds and acting like they did in response? No. Whose behavior was more disrespectful of their fellow man there? So don't lecture me about my behavior because I think it's amusing Mormon wear special undergarments or Catholics have Saints. Why is my lack of belief in something less sacred? People have the freedom to believe what ever they like. And I have the freedom to think some of those beliefs are ridiculous.

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  5. I was emailed your comment, but I don't see it here. Either something is up with blogger or you decided to delete it. My overall point is that being insulted is not a valid reason in and of itself to try and force people to change their behavior. You think this is insulting? Then don't buy it. It's very simple. I agree that some people may find it insulting. I just don't care. Call it callous or wrong it makes no difference to me. Hopefully that's that.

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  6. No I didn't delete it ... strange :( And I myself don't have my own comment! Post it please, if you so wish :P

    Yes, you have a point, in a way. You are not the producer. I have e-mailed the card company (the product bearing this image I found in a shop was actually a gift card, not a notepad, and my Catholic friend was quite upset; she e-mailed the shop and they agreed and told her that they had now removed those cards). I live in the UK.

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    1. Shame on them, although I'm sure the Pope is proud.

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  7. That's a thousand times more offensive IMO. Disappointing.

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  8. What's a thousand times more offensive? That my friend got upset? That the shop agreed?

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  9. Your friend is free to be as upset as she wants and complain to high heaven. I'm more pissed that the store would let that complaint have any weight. Way to be grown up and allow people to make their own decisions. But we can't have that can we? No. We have to try and control their behavior by taking the choice away under the guise of religious discrimination. It smacks of censorship. I think plenty of the things the Catholic Church does is insulting but you don't hear me complaining that they should form themselves into something I find more appealing do you? No. I'm just not Catholic. I think American Apparel ads are sexist and insulting but at the end of the day that's their prerogative and I have the choice to refuse their business. And I do, but at the end of the day people should still be able to make the choice for themselves. That is why I find it disappointing.

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  10. Why? The shop would definitely be in trouble if the card were about Muhammad. So, why is it suddenly acceptable if it's about Catholicism? I don't believe in this kind of 'freedom' (as I do not believe in 'hate speech' being 'free speech'). Are you based in the US? Is this so shocking for you/Americans?? In the UK/Europe, this is a very (common)sensible thing to do.

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  11. "The shop would definitely be in trouble if the card were about Muhammad." Yeah cause that makes your point. Allowing people to be cowered into submission by threats of violence so you can control their behavior is totally cool with you? Because that's the real difference here. Not me (you seem to be implying I'm the one being inconsistent but I'm not).

    And no, this isn't hate speech. To even imply that it is is disingenuous. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it hate speech. Is Monty Python's 'Life of Brian' hate speech too? What about the mockery xmas has become? I can't speak for all Americans, but being American might have something to do with it. How am I to know? What I do know is there's nothing sensible in censorship. I don't understand why you can't get that. I'm not arguing that anything is morally correct or in good taste (though I'm not arguing the opposite either). If people can't use a "freedom" in a manner that you disagree with, then it's not a freedom. It's not shocking either. Your response has been the typical response for thousands of years.

    Why are we even talking about this still? Obviously we're aren't going to change our minds. And I really don't care if this bothers you. Didn't you get your way in the end anyways? Take whatever comfort that gives you and let it go.

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  12. You had said that it wasn't the sanctity of religion that put if above mockery in you comment that blogger ate (I was gonna post it but I had already deleted it), but if it isn't that then what is it? Why shouldn't religion be mocked? Why should religious beliefs be off limits when political and social beliefs are open to satire and mockery?

    If we want to have a genuine conversation about this then that's where it'd have to start. Why you think this is wrong and why I don't.

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  13. Seriously, I do NOT think it is about 'cowardice'... Would you be happy with cards bearing your real name and some insulting comments (I think I said earlier that it is not religion I'm talking about)??
    I'm not wanting to change your mind, in case you got that impression :P I don't even know you. Though I would like the company to reconsider their products.

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  14. This would be nothing like personally attacking a person in a public manner in which could incite violence or disparage someone. The fact you're trying to conflate the two shows how unconvincing your position is.

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  15. How unconvincing it is for you, maybe, but not for people around me I'm afraid :P That's why the shop here removed the cards. I'd say you are the one conflating this with the issue of religions... It's interesting, in a way, as I always thought Americans are rather too allergic to 'politically incorrect' words, for example (you might say the British are more insensitive in that context).

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  16. As a Therese myself, I take this as an insult. As a Christian, I won't blow anyone up or murder anybody but I will pray that your sense of humor is tempered by kindness.

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    1. You people kill me. I'm glad you're insulted. It's a lesson in humility and helps you stay grounded.

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